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If vomiting and other body fluids and products shown in movies is considered obscene, let's put the guys who made Jackass 2 on trial. The "fart helmet" scene in particular.
Why are things viewed as much more sickening and outrageous just because sexual penetration is involved also?
I don't get it.
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"It was a travesty but we had no choice because of the way the law is written," one jurors told AVN.
Several jurors approached Max Hardcore and his attorneys to express their sympathy at having been forced to convict him on the counts due to the "poorly written" law regarding the transportation of obscene material via the internet and the mailing of the DVDs to the middle district of Florida.
THAT'S COMPLETE NONSENSE!
The jurors did what they did because they were (and are) uninformed about their rights as jurors (Max Hardcore, himself, is utterly ignorant about juror rights, as well):
Fact # 1: When you are a jury member at a courtroom trial, you ARE the law. While deliberating and deciding which way to vote (Guilty or Not Guilty), you are perfectly free and within your rights as a juror to totally disregard any law, statute, or regulation for any reason whatsoever, nor do you have to explain or justify your decision to ANYONE.
Fact # 2: When you are a jury member at a courtroom trial, you ARE NOT OBLIGATED to follow a judge's instructions (or anyone else's, for that matter).
Max Hardcore's jury convicted him because they were totally unaware of the two FACTS stated above.
The reason that this is a sad day for Americans is not because Max was convicted and not because the First Amendment to the Constitution was trampled upon, but BECAUSE THE AVERAGE AMERICAN CITIZEN HAS NO CLUE WHAT HIS/HER CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS ARE. And the reason that they don't know is BECAUSE THEY WON'T READ IT and THE GOVERNMENT WON'T TELL THEM! But then, very few people in government have read the constitution, either.
I freely admit that I was as clueless as the next person about these matters until one day I received a little pamphlet entitled "Citizens Rule Book/Jury Handbook" by Alex Jones
Before I proceed, I would like for you to copy (or copy, paste, and print) this message from this sentence on down and pass it on to everyone you know and ask them to repeat the process.
Below are some quotes from "Citizens Rule Book/Jury Handbook" (by Alex Jones):
"The base of power was to remain in WE THE PEOPLE but unfortunately, it was lost to those leaders acting in the name of government, such as politicians, bureaucrats, judges, lawyers, etc.
"As a result America began to function like a democracy instead of a REPUBLIC. A democracy is dangerous because it is a one-vote system as opposed to a Republic, which is a three-vote system. Three votes to check tyranny, not just one. American citizens have not been informed of their other two votes.
"Our first vote is at the polls on election day when we pick those who are to represent us in the seats of government. But what can be done if those elected officials just don't perform as promised or expected? Well, the second two votes are the most effective means by which the common people of any nation on earth have ever had in controlling those appointed to serve them in government.
"The second vote comes when you serve on a Grand Jury. Before anyone can be brought to trial for a capital or infamous crime by those acting in the name of government, permission must be obtained from people serving on the Grand Jury! The Minneapolis Star and Tribune in March 27, 1987, edition noted a purpose of the Grand Jury this way: 'A grand jury's purpose is to protect the public from an overzealous prosecutor.'
"The third is the most powerful vote: this is when you are acting as a jury member during a courtroom trial. At this point, 'the buck stops' with you! It is in this setting that each JUROR has MORE POWER than the President, all of Congress, and all of the judges combined! Congress can legislate (make law), the President or some other bureaucrat can make an order or issue regulations, and judges can instruct or make a decision, but no JUROR can ever be punished for voting 'Not Guilty!' Any Juror can, with impunity, choose to disregard the instructions of any judge or attorney in rendering his vote. If only one JUROR should vote "Not Guilty" for any reason, there is no conviction and no punishment at the end of the trial. Thus, those acting in the name of government must come before the common man to get permission to enforce the law.
"As a JUROR in a trial setting, when it comes to your individual vote of innocent or guilty, you truly are answerable only to GOD ALMIGHTY. The First Amendment to the Constitution was born out of this great concept. However, judges of today refuse to inform JURORS of their RIGHTS."
The pamphlet goes on to state that jurors are actually ABOVE the law (while acting in the capacity of a jury member during a courtroom trial). It also mentions some very important quotes in a section entitled JURY RIGHTS:
JURY RIGHTS
"'The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy.' John Jay, 1st Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court, 1789
'The jury has the right to determine both the law and the facts.' Samuel Chase, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1796, Signer of The Unanimous Declaration.
'The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both law and fact.' Oliver Wendell Holmes, U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1902
'The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided.' Harlan F. Stone, 12th Chief Justice, U.S. Supreme Court, 1941
'The pages of history shine on instances of the jury's exercise of its prerogative to disregard instructions of the judge...' U.S. vs. Dougherty, 473 F 2nd 1113, 1139, (1972)"
And one last thing. In a section entitled "Law of the Land," the aforementioned pamphlet states the following:
"The general misconception is that any statute passed by legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land, and any statute, to be valid, must be in agreement. It is impossible for a law which violates the Constitution to be valid. This is succinctly stated as follows:
'All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void.' Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)
'Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them.' Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491."
As should be painfully aware to all of us by now, the Federal government is becoming increasingly tyrannical. But if each U.S. citizen were fully aware of all three of their votes, we could collectively go a long way in balancing the power between government and We the People.
The following previous quote bears repeating (and with emphasis):
"The third is the most powerful vote: this is when you are acting as a jury member during a courtroom trial. At this point, 'the buck stops' with you! It is in this setting that each JUROR has MORE POWER than the President, all of Congress, and all of the judges combined!"
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
Pass this information on in as many ways as you can think of. Make copies and distribute it to everyone you know and ask them to do the same. Post this information on as many websites as you can. Write to editors of newspapers and magazines and try to get them to publish this information in their editorial section. Blog this information if you are a blogger. Send this information out via your e-mail contacts list. Do your part to get this information out to as many people as possible, as fast as possible.
Most important of all: Read the Constitution to become fully aware of your rights as a U.S. citizen! (The Constitution is available free online--just Google it.)
PASS THIS INFORMATION ON FAR AND WIDE!
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If vomiting and other body fluids and products shown in movies is considered obscene, let's put the guys who made Jackass 2 on trial. The "fart helmet" scene in particular.
Why are things viewed as much more sickening and outrageous just because sexual penetration is involved also?
I don't get it.
You think that's bad? In one of the CKY flicks (one of the precursors to Jackass), Bam and friends think it will be fun to smear fecal matter on their pal's face while he sleeps.
This movie is legally available in the UK, BBFC certified and everything...
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man where are you guys gonna get your fantasized pedophilia videos now?
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My moral superiority is impeccable.
That, what does not exist, cannot be impeccable.
freestylah, always a bit thick.
Look at it once again, understand it or not and get over it.
Grammar can be a bitch.
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The moderators of this heap are meaningless cunts.
The regulars of this heap are retarded cocksuckers.
Fuck this shit.
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I don't think the folks who are making light of this fully understand what's going to happen. Big Brother won. They lost when they went after Jeff, but they nailed Max and now they'll do it to someone else. Yeah, Max may be harder than most, but it set a precedent, and now the gov knows that they CAN win these kinds of cases. Christian right-wings know no bounds when it comes to porn...it's all bad in their eyes.
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Will Max Case Be The One to Go to The US Supreme Court?
---Tampa Tribune via Gene Ross
TAMPA - Over several hours last week and this, seven men and five women on a federal jury have watched some of the most extreme pornography commercially available today.
Some lawyers and academics wonder why.
Critics of obscenity cases question the federal government's decision to file these charges, especially considering the defining case law is 35 years old and was on shaky legal ground to begin with.
Federal obscenity law requires jurors to determine whether the material is patently offensive to the average person based on community standards. In the age of the Internet, however, a community's standards have become more difficult, if not impossible, to define.
Still, as vocally as some question the government's role in deciding what is obscene, others are egging on federal prosecutors to stop the progression of the pornography industry as it becomes increasingly bizarre.
"There's been no real prosecution regarding adult obscenity and it's gotten totally out of hand," said David Caton, executive director of the Tampa-based Florida Family Association. "Where in society do we say enough is enough?"
The videos that jurors watched in Tampa, produced by and starring California resident Paul Little, feature scenes of violence and humiliation, urination and vomiting. Little, who goes by the name Max Hardcore, was convicted Thursday on five charges of distributing obscene material over the Internet and five counts of distributing obscene material through the U.S. mail.
As the attorneys prepare an inevitable appeal, some experts wonder whether this will become the case that prompts the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit the country's obscenity laws.
Miller V. California
In 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a controversial opinion in the case Miller v. California.
The opinion developed a test to determine whether material is obscene. In part, it asks a jury to decide if the average person applying contemporary community standards would find that the material is intended to sexually arouse in a patently offensive way.
Eric M. Freedman, a constitutional law professor at Hofstra University in New York, said that concept is constitutionally flawed. The First Amendment, Freedman said, is intended to protect unpopular speech from those who would gather together to quash it.
The Miller decision, Freedman said, skirts the First Amendment. It allows a community to determine what can be expressed by minority groups within that community. The problem in modern times, Freedman said, is that there are no average people who can apply the standards of their community.
"The idea of local standards, which was deeply problematic when it originated, has now become thoroughly obsolete in the Internet age," Freedman said.
The current Supreme Court has avoided making judgments on the Miller decision but, with cases such as Little's, it might not be able to dodge the question much longer.
Assuming Little's attorneys have laid the foundation for a constitutional appeal, this case could head to the Supreme Court someday and result in a new challenge to the validity of local community standards and obscenity, Freedman said.
Still, several factors could stand in the way.
"I wouldn't overestimate the chances," Freedman said. "Even if the issue is there, the Supreme Court may not take it. Those reasons could be tactical or political."
Clearwater lawyer Luke Lirot, who acknowledges that he is as much an advocate of the First Amendment as an expert on its intricacies, said he does not like Little's videos.
Lirot's client base has included strippers, pornographers and prostitutes. Still, he said, his tastes are significantly more "vanilla" than the Max Hardcore titles.
He doesn't think he's alone.
Most of the people in America would not enjoy Little's videos, Lirot said - but the material is not meant for them. Its intended audience is a small minority of people who enjoy watching consenting adults take sexual acts to an extreme. The concept is not unlike television reality shows where people eat worms and sit in vats of insects, Lirot said.
"It's like 'Fear Factor,' people watching what extremes people will subject themselves to," Lirot said.
The acts performed in Little's videos are not illegal, Lirot said, but because they are sexual, the government says it is illegal to film and distribute them.
Acts Become More Extreme
Caton said some First Amendment advocates miss the point of the Miller decision.
The Miller case determined that obscenity is not protected speech. That is why the justices in 1973 developed the test. The Internet, Caton said, is just another pipeline.
"The only difference is that the images are coming from a telephone wire or cable, not the mailbox," he said.
As in all obscenity cases, material is produced in one place and shipped to another. It doesn't matter whether it's a magazine, a video or a digital clip: If it's obscene, it is not legal, Caton said.
When the government does not prosecute obscenity charges, pornography becomes more extreme, Caton said. During the Clinton administration, he said, over-the-counter magazines such as Penthouse and Hustler went from soft-core to hard-core.
Popular stores that cater to the public are selling magazines that include urination scenes, Caton said.
"There is a certain level of degradation that goes beyond erotic art and erotic entertainment," he said. "I don't think it's any coincidence that we are seeing women abducted from universities. They have been degraded to the point of being toys."
Caton said it is encouraging that a jury in an area such as Tampa, where adult businesses flourish, found that there is a point where sexual exploitation is not tolerated.
Over the past seven years, Caton said, the family association has lobbied the U.S. Department of Justice to take a more active role in the prosecution of obscenity.
In a 2007 Senate committee meeting, then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said his office asked for the resignation of a Nevada U.S. attorney in part because of the attorney's lackluster desire to prosecute obscenity, according to a transcript of the meeting published in The Washington Post.
The choice to investigate and to prosecute obscenity cases lies with the presidential administration, said law professor Freedman. If President Bush wants federal prosecutors to focus on obscenity laws, that is his right as an elected leader.
In the case of obscenity, however, the endeavor is quixotic, Freedman said. When federal prosecutors push these cases, they might ultimately force the U.S. Supreme Court to revisit the Miller decision.
Freedman acknowledged, however, that the Internet obscenity issue recently came before the U.S. Supreme Court and the justices managed to sidestep the Miller issue. In 2002, the court was asked to review a lower court's ruling on the proposed Childhood Online Protection Act.
The lower court had questioned the Miller test's applications to the Internet. Under the Miller test, the judges determined, no one could post anything to the Internet unless it meets the standards of the most puritanical community in America.
The Supreme Court avoided the community standards question altogether.
"The Supreme Court is well aware that the idea of local standards is under severe pressure in the Internet age but has so far managed to avoid it squarely," Freedman said.
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I don't think the Supremes are going anywhere near this case, but anything's possible.
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Does this mean Max's circulated videos will now go up in value?
I have a piece of shit Maxworld VHS from the 1990s that I use as a doorstop and haven't watched since I mistakenly purchased it. But now that Max is a major bad-ass criminal, his nasty contraband may actually be worth something to me.
[Brushes dust and cat's piss off Maxworld Video Magazine No. 6 - "Oh, a young Maria Bellucci! I may have to take another look at that movie after all"]
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I might as well do my rant here.
The disturbing thing to me is the idea that something is considered obscene because it is out of the mainstream. We hear that term a lot now, out of the mainstream. Now, mainstream pornography is alright. But Max pushed the edge, he is different in a way that does not appeal to the mainstream. Conform. Surrender. Do as you are told. Follow the herd.
FUCK THAT
My car has a stick shift and a turbocharger. It had a Kucinich bumper sticker for a while. I've never seen American Idol, haven't been in a McDonald's short order restaurant for over 10 years, and have no interest in NASCAR. I'm vegetarian. I pray twice a day, but never go to church. I shave my balls. I am proficient at Morse Code. I have been sober for 17 years, but advocate the legalization of recreational drugs. I'm going to quit chasing money, retire at 55, and live out of my motorhome. I drink the juice straight out of the olive jar, so come get me, mutherfuckers!
If one more sick, left side of the bell curve asshole tries to tell me about his house in the suburbs and his two soccer playing boys named Wally and Beaver, I just might do something out of the mainstream.
Every advancement made by mankind was because someone thought outside the mainstream. Thank God for the Max Hardcores in engineering and science, philosophy, medicine, and the arts. I refuse to attempt to conform to "community standards". And so far, my life has been a lot more interesting than anything I've ever heard from the Ward Cleavers of the world.
Give me liberty, or give me death. Bless you, Max, I have the highest respect for you for keeping up the fight.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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Does this mean Max's circulated videos will now go up in value?
It means you better not sell any on eBay and ship it by via the USPS to Tampa.
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I might as well do my rant here.
The disturbing thing to me is the idea that something is considered obscene because it is out of the mainstream. We hear that term a lot now, out of the mainstream. Now, mainstream pornography is alright. But Max pushed the edge, he is different in a way that does not appeal to the mainstream. Conform. Surrender. Do as you are told. Follow the herd.
FUCK THAT
My car has a stick shift and a turbocharger. It had a Kucinich bumper sticker for a while. I've never seen American Idol, haven't been in a McDonald's short order restaurant for over 10 years, and have no interest in NASCAR. I'm vegetarian. I pray twice a day, but never go to church. I shave my balls. I am proficient at Morse Code. I have been sober for 17 years, but advocate the legalization of recreational drugs. I'm going to quit chasing money, retire at 55, and live out of my motorhome. I drink the juice straight out of the olive jar, so come get me, mutherfuckers!
If one more sick, left side of the bell curve asshole tries to tell me about his house in the suburbs and his two soccer playing boys named Wally and Beaver, I just might do something out of the mainstream.
Every advancement made by mankind was because someone thought outside the mainstream. Thank God for the Max Hardcores in engineering and science, philosophy, medicine, and the arts. I refuse to attempt to conform to "community standards". And so far, my life has been a lot more interesting than anything I've ever heard from the Ward Cleavers of the world.
Give me liberty, or give me death. Bless you, Max, I have the highest respect for you for keeping up the fight.
-Chuck, Vegetarian fanboy
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rock on, charin. and praise jesus to all men who shave their balls. hallelujah.
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rock on, charin. and praise jesus to all men who shave their balls. hallelujah.
I thought everyone did in this day and age!
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Another good article.
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Jurors convict adult film producer
By Kevin Graham, Times Staff Writer
TAMPA — Twelve federal jurors drew the line Thursday for Tampa Bay area residents, saying the graphic and violent films of a Hollywood pornographer are unacceptable in their community.
They reached that decision after watching 81/2 hours of extreme pornography on a giant screen in court. At times, they winced as an adult film producer who calls himself Max Hardcore performed in scenes that included urinating, vomiting and violently dominating women.
After nearly two weeks of trial and roughly 12 hours of deliberation, jurors decided what they had seen went beyond the Tampa Bay region's community standards.
They convicted the actor and producer, whose real name is Paul F. Little, 51, of Altadena, Calif., and his company, MaxWorld Entertainment Inc., of 10 counts of selling obscene material on the Internet and 10 counts of shipping it to Tampa through the U.S. mail.
Jurors asked that their names not be used. But several spoke of how emotional it had been and how tensions among them escalated Thursday as they deliberated, temporarily unable to reach a decision on half of the charges.
"We made the right decision," a male juror said.
Among their ranks were an accounts receivable clerk with three young children at home, a licensed practical nurse, an insurance claims adjuster, a civil engineer. A pawnshop owner served as the jury foreman.
They said they plan to write a book about their jury service. And they criticized the law that was the basis for charges of aiding in the use of the U.S. mail to send the films to Tampa.
The president of Jaded Video, a California adult film distributor, testified that his business sold Little's films from Jaded's Web site and selected the U.S. mail to deliver them to customers. Little's attorneys argued that he had no knowledge or control over that process.
The judge, citing the law, told jurors that someone can be guilty of causing the mail to be used if, in the ordinary course of business, they perform an act where the use of the mail can reasonably be foreseen. In this case, Little sold his films to a business that would distribute them.
As they heard the word "guilty" read 20 times inside the courtroom, Little and his team of attorneys, including two former presidents of the First Amendment Lawyers Association, bowed their heads and remained motionless.
"We believe in freedom of speech, and this is a setback," MaxWorld attorney Louis Sirkin said afterward, vowing to appeal. "We expect to get our day of reckoning. It's not over."
At his attorneys' request, Little didn't comment on the verdicts. But earlier, he spoke at liberty to a St. Petersburg Times reporter about his views.
"People down here should be outraged that the government is saying you can't watch two people f---," Little said. "If this is bad, where is the outrage here? Where's the protesters?"
Prosecutors charged Little and MaxWorld each with five counts of using a computer server to sell and distribute obscene material and each with five counts of distributing obscene matter through the U.S. mail. He faces a maximum of five years in prison for each conviction when he is sentenced Sept. 5 by presiding U.S. District Judge Susan C. Bucklew. Little and MaxWorld face separate fines of up to $250,000.
Jurors spared Little from having to forfeit his house to the government, but decided as part of their verdict that he turn over three adult-oriented Web sites that advertise or sell his MaxWorld films.
The otherwise stoic defendant wiped tears from his eyes when he learned they had decided not to take his home.
Just hours into their deliberations on Wednesday, jurors sought to clarify the meanings of several words and phrases in their jury instructions, including "morbid and degraded," "unhealthy interest in sex," and "candid interest in sex." The judge refused their request to use a dictionary, and said they should rely on their common sense.
The case drew the attention of an adult film industry critic, who flew from California to write about it. Interns studying law sat in the courtroom to hear the legal arguments. And local First Amendment attorney Luke Lirot, who occasionally defends strip club operators locally, sat in the courtroom on several occasions.
Attorneys with the Justice Department's Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section prosecuted the case in Tampa because Little's Max Hardcore site was housed on computer servers downtown for at least three years.
Defense attorneys said Little never knew his site was housed in Tampa, and that prosecutors never produced any evidence that he did.
In closing arguments, the defense called on jurors to consider the nearly five-dozen adult oriented businesses in the bay area and infer what that suggested about the local community standards.
Justice Department attorney Edward McAndrew urged jurors to rely on how the films made them feel as they watched. He told them in closing arguments that had the law not required they stay, he wouldn't blame them for running for the exits.
"These videos aren't only offensive, they assault your senses," McAndrew said.
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Twelve federal jurors drew the line Thursday for Tampa Bay area residents, saying the graphic and violent films of a Hollywood pornographer are unacceptable in their community.
This is the part that really gets me, and forgive my ignorance, but their "community" didn't buy the damn DVD, nor were they forced to watch it (other than in a court of law, ironically). So why should the "community" even have a say? The whole thing is just so retarded to me. We're the only legal industry who has to deal with this kind of bullshit from our own government. Unreal.
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nor were they forced to watch it (other than in a court of law, ironically).
Besides the 1st amendment issue, what I don't like about the law is that a producer cannot know that his film is obscene to a community until he is convicted.
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nor were they forced to watch it (other than in a court of law, ironically).
Besides the 1st amendment issue, what I don't like about the law is that a producer cannot know that his film is obscene to a community until he is convicted.
I know!! It's a completely subjective law. Live and let live.
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If vomiting and other body fluids and products shown in movies is considered obscene, let's put the guys who made Jackass 2 on trial. The "fart helmet" scene in particular.
Why are things viewed as much more sickening and outrageous just because sexual penetration is involved also?
I don't get it.
I think Max understands the difference. That's why he made those movies. Because he knows that it is more outrageous and perverse.
And now he got popped for it.
This Is never sexy.
Vote for Obama and the justice department will leave porn alone.
-------------------- Honestly, I don't know...I'm torn. We haven't talked since AVN (other than the hearing in February)- Eric on Bree Olson
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Here are six questions for everyone who has posted (or who will post) in this thread (hint, you don't need to be a lawyer to answer any of these questions, just use common sense):
Q1: If you had been one of the jurors at Max Hardcore's trial and you decided to vote "Not Guilty" on each and every charge, could any of the other jurors FORCE you to change your vote to "Guilty" on any of the charges?
Q2: If you remained steadfast in your position, and no matter how long jury deliberations dragged on, could the judge fine or imprison you or in any other way punish you?
Q3: Are you under any legal obligation to reach a consensus of opinion with the other jurors?
Q4: Do you bear any legal obligation to follow the judge's instructions on how to apply the law?
Q5: If, as one of the jurors at Max Hardcore's trial, you voted "Not Guilty" on each and every charge, what would have been the outcome of that trial?
Q6: What is the supreme law of the land?
If you are unsure of the answers to any of the above questions, please read my first post in this thread in its entirety.
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Vote for Obama and the justice department will leave porn alone.
I seriously doubt a McCain DOJ would waste taxpayers money on this nonsense, either. Even with Rudy in charge. Again, his faux pornophobia never surfaced until he saw the economic advantages of Disnification.
Besides, if I know Rudy, he'd spend most of his time finding new ways to conduct wiretaps and push the limits of the Patriot Act.
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