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Adult Entertainment Economics - PT 1
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During a very recent visit to a strip club in San Fran, I had a interesting conversation with a stripper named "Candace." She claimed to be 22, was appx 5'4", about 115, Blond and with NATURAL D cups. She resembled Leelee Sobieski, which is to say she was totally fucking hott. At one point she said to me that she had very seriously considered doing Porn, but ultimately she felt she was making enough money just stripping. Ultimately she said she wants to be a lawyer and said she was junior in an undergrad program but was taking the year off.
I asked her what she made stripping (mind you this is San Fran): Working 4 days a week (3 out of every 4 weeks), 5-6 hours per shift average, she was pulling $5k to $6k AVERAGE a week. From what I observed that night, what I know in general from other chicks, and (mostly) what my friend who works as the manager of the club told me, Candace's numbers are definitely accurate/credible. Thats pretty good money for that type of work.
She said she weighed it out, doing porn and what she felt she could make (and wanted to make) in terms of money, and what the potential costs/downside of porn were, and from PURE dollars and sense standpoint, she could not justify venturing into porn. She has done a little nude modeling and some swimsuit type promotional work, but no Sex.
So my question is, from a MONETARY/Economic point of view, and taking all the COSTS/Downsides of doing porn into account, why dont more girls just STRIP? Even in the case of some of the dodgier-looking porn skanks, they could probably make the same (or almost the same) money just taking their clothes off in a dimly lit bar as opposed to getting their Asses excavated and faces DOUSED in creep splooge for all eternity and for all the world to see. I mean if a AVERAGE looking porn chick made 200 grand in a year working in films getting thoroughly degraded, where she could have made 175 grand working in a strip club (still doing next to nothing), would the 25 grand difference not be worth it to avoid all the negatives of Porn? Bear in mind I am using this simplistic example merely for illustrative purposes, where we all know even an average looking skank like Arianna Jolle (but WITHOUT Arianna's PORN resume/credits) working 4-5 days a week in a strip club could make well above 175k a year...
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Ultimately she said she wants to be a lawyer and said she was junior in an undergrad program but was taking the year off.
For the love of the motherland DPRK, if I had a Bushmaster Carbon 15 Top Loading Carbine military assault rifle for every time I heard this shit I could actually arm my soldiers.
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So my question is, from a MONETARY/Economic point of view, and taking all the COSTS/Downsides of doing porn into account, why dont more girls just STRIP?
But to answer your question DB I'm gonna say attention whore/pornSTAR factor. They see shit like JennaJ in the news dating whoever , Mary"somebody kill me"Carey in politics, Bella on 20/20 or whatever show that was and they want the attention/stardom. The only reason Jenna et al. are on TV is because they are doing this shit AND they do porn. If a girl strips she's basically anonymous. The difference in money is inconsequential.
And about the money she's making, I'm not saying your wrong but [plagiarism]whores lie[/plagiarism]
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what club was it? I love SF strip clubs with New Century Theater being at the top of my list
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Ultimately she said she wants to be a lawyer and said she was junior in an undergrad program but was taking the year off.
Jesus Burg, will you ever learn?
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Ultimately she said she wants to be a lawyer and said she was junior in an undergrad program but was taking the year off.
Jesus Burg, will you ever learn?
No....No Ivor I will never learn. You're right, I did it again, silly me. I should have stopped myself and realized what was going on here...I shouldn't have paid for several hours of her time and company in the VIP area and tipped her to the tune of $6k, along with an offer to pay for her next semester if she gets herself out of that den of iniquity and returns to school in time for the spring semester. Oh well, maybe next time I'll remember your words of warning....
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Jesus Burg, will you ever learn?
N... [blah]
OK, let me explicate. Will you ever learn to consider words from a sex worker's mouth with an appropriate degree of skepticism?
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why dont more girls just STRIP?
Most girls that are in porn aren't good looking enough to make top dollar stripping. That is, the camera and lighting make up for their acne/cotton cheese thighs/bad attitude. Or so I've been told.
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I have spent a fair bit of time in the darkened halls of Las Vegas' higher-end strip clubs, and on the weekends there will typically be 100+ girls giving lap dances. Most of them are young, intelligent students who are flawlessly beautiful (I say most as there are always some chaff thrown in too - and I stress that I'm talking about the high end spots).
I have spent many an hour chatting with them, and they typically seem very well adjusted. Many appear to fly in from San Diego and LA for the weekend, strip for three days and go home to their 'lives', supporting themselves through school.
They are not interested in escorting and when the subject of stripping in Canada comes up (there is no G-String law) most are visibly shocked.
I have to agree with Burg - I see these girls that make good cash, can come and go as they please, and don't leave a trail of DVDs and websites to ruin their future lives, and wonder why anyone would want to do porn.
I suppose the only reasonable response is that porn attracts the less grounded, less goal-oriented girls who fall into the vortex.
Whatever happened to Keri Sable?
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I have spent many an hour chatting with them, and they typically seem very well adjusted. Many appear to fly in from San Diego and LA for the weekend, strip for three days and go home to their 'lives', supporting themselves through school.
Just because these sex industry workers go to school and present themselves as 'well adjusted', doesn't mean that is the truth. When they are trying to sell themselves do you seriously think they are going to tell the truth, especially to a higher end client (if there is such a thing)? They want you to empathize and find common ground, I bet that their story changes for different type's of customers. Their job is to size you up and find any way for you to part with your money.
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Just because these sex industry workers go to school and present themselves as 'well adjusted', doesn't mean that is the truth. When they are trying to sell themselves do you seriously think they are going to tell the truth, especially to a higher end client (if there is such a thing)? They want you to empathize and find common ground, I bet that their story changes for different type's of customers. Their job is to size you up and find any way for you to part with your money.
Indeed, I'm sure it's a nice feeling for the men to think they're just helping a girl pay her way through college. I don't preclude the possibility that some cases may be true, but when money and sex is involved you can't take anything at face value.
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Hey Burg, if this girl is really that hot and is only willing to do nude modeling, can you send her my way? Strippers who are featured in adult magazines can demand more money from the clubs for their appearances.
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Hey Burg, if this girl is really that hot and is only willing to do nude modeling, can you send her my way?
Holly! You damned white slave trader! How do you sleep at night exploiting the fallen youth of America!??
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I have spent many an hour chatting with them, and they typically seem very well adjusted. Many appear to fly in from San Diego and LA for the weekend, strip for three days and go home to their 'lives', supporting themselves through school.
Just because these sex industry workers go to school and present themselves as 'well adjusted', doesn't mean that is the truth. When they are trying to sell themselves do you seriously think they are going to tell the truth, especially to a higher end client (if there is such a thing)? They want you to empathize and find common ground, I bet that their story changes for different type's of customers. Their job is to size you up and find any way for you to part with your money.
I suppose at bottom, if they strippers hold themselves out as well-scrubbed college girls, and are able to talk a good game, that is good enough for me (short of giving them a test) - I'll still take that over a twitchy meth-head trying desperately to have me bar-fine her out of dive club.
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So my question is, from a MONETARY/Economic point of view, and taking all the COSTS/Downsides of doing porn into account, why dont more girls just STRIP?
My guess why more porn girls don't just strip is this, Stripping requires talent. A stripper has got to know how to somewhat dance and look sexy while doing so. Another thing that comes in handy for strippers is chatting with the customers, being friendly(even if they absolutely despise the guy who seems to be willing to drop a couple hundred[or even thousand] buckaroos), finding the little things that can drive a customer wild. As you have said before, a lot of porn girls are lazy(I believe you said this, if not ah well). These gals would rather lie on their backs, take dicks up their pussies, asses, mouth, maybe even nose and ear holes, get plastered with male-gunk all over their bodies, and collect a couple hundred dollars for 2 hours work than work a full-time job(such as stripping). All most of them have to do while this is happening is moan a few times, say lines like "oh baby, your hard cock feels good in my shithole", and survive the whole ordeal until the final cumshot, then go cash the check.
On the other hand I don't think all strippers could make it as porn girls, but I don't want to go into the reasons why right now.
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Hey Burg, if this girl is really that hot and is only willing to do nude modeling, can you send her my way?
Holly! You damned white slave trader! How do you sleep at night exploiting the fallen youth of America!??
With a hot bubble bath at night and the ceiling fan on medium speed when I'm in bed. 
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My guess:
1. Porn has more fame/recognition/notoriety
2. They have to deal with less scuzzy old men
3. They feel as if they are their own boss
4. They are the ones being chased by directors, producers agents etc. and not the ones chasing the customers.
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i've never been to a strip club or even knowingly met a stripper/sex worker of any kind so i can't really comment. the question of why anyone would be in the sex industry is the primary reason i read xpt.
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i've never been to a strip club or even knowingly met a stripper/sex worker of any kind so i can't really comment.
You're makin' a trip over here soon though, right? You're gonna have fuuuun. 
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No one gives a fuck Burg so shut the fuck up and choke on some WD-40
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Ultimately she said she wants to be a lawyer and said she was junior in an undergrad program but was taking the year off.
Jesus Burg, will you ever learn?
Enter Christina Schultz, the only whore that did not lie. She is a 2001 graduate of Stanford Law School who was busted by the IRS for tax fraud. The IRS agent said "Based on my training and experience, generally people whose adjusted gross income is consistently less than $13,500 a year are not able to put themselves through Stanford Law School, lease a $70,000 Mercedes-Benz for $1,486 a month, live alone in a $1,800-a-month apartment, pay off almost $300,000 in loans, compile savings over $10,000, build a cash hoard of $40,000, throw away $2,400 in cash and buy postal money orders totaling $13,500 all at one time."
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